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by samael28 on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
Xeph. yes they do all the time. regardless of allergenic properties. They even pay far more than what jenn posted.
by Xeph on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
I don't know what point you're exactly responding to, Samael. Please clarify
by Jenni78 on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
I have to say I know people who have Labradoodles and LOVE them. No doubt they can be very nice dogs....LIKE ANY MUTT CAN! But I about swallowed my tongue when I looked into what they cost. The ones that have been bred for many generations, such as the Australian ones, I guess are fairly consistently non-shedding. But what a racket- can you imagine the money you could rake in selling unregistered mutts with zero special credentials for $2600 apiece???
by beetree on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
Xeph,
You are describing how networking connections work, I think. To think different deals aren't made for different people is a very naive approach. The more I know, and if I'm the type of owner in demand, the cheaper the prices get; I have found that to be more than true.
You are describing how networking connections work, I think. To think different deals aren't made for different people is a very naive approach. The more I know, and if I'm the type of owner in demand, the cheaper the prices get; I have found that to be more than true.
by samael28 on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
Sorry- people pay those prices and far more and not necessarily for a hypoallergenic dog. In fact most could careless about that trait.
The record i have seen was 4500$ according to the owner that showed up with there 3 month old doodle bought in or close by annapolis md.
See it all the time. However some im sure are for the reason you stated as well. Though from what i have encountered is by no means the majority.
This fad has only gotten worse as people have started mixing multiple different breeds with poodles to get different attractive coats to seel for big money as well.
But back on topic-----
has anyone thought of a descent way to improve breeding standards as a whole? I personally would love to hear some true ideas.
I have though about it a lot and came up with nothing as if you look through my old posts on this thread the problem is people. so how do you fix it.
The record i have seen was 4500$ according to the owner that showed up with there 3 month old doodle bought in or close by annapolis md.
See it all the time. However some im sure are for the reason you stated as well. Though from what i have encountered is by no means the majority.
This fad has only gotten worse as people have started mixing multiple different breeds with poodles to get different attractive coats to seel for big money as well.
But back on topic-----
has anyone thought of a descent way to improve breeding standards as a whole? I personally would love to hear some true ideas.
I have though about it a lot and came up with nothing as if you look through my old posts on this thread the problem is people. so how do you fix it.
by Xeph on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
To think different deals aren't made for different people is a very naive approach.
That's not what I said at all. I know different deals are made for different people. But with that said, it was also meant to convey that "more money" doesn't always equal "better product". In dogs, because they are living creatures, it is more than true that more money doesn't = higher quality. It may appear that way, but this is not an Armani jacket vs a Walmart jacket. That said, more people are going to be looking for the Walmart jacket because it fulfills their needs just fine, than those who are looking for an Armani jacket.
The general American outlook is "Why would I pay $600 for one piece of clothing when I can get that same piece of clothing for $80 elsewhere?"
That's not what I said at all. I know different deals are made for different people. But with that said, it was also meant to convey that "more money" doesn't always equal "better product". In dogs, because they are living creatures, it is more than true that more money doesn't = higher quality. It may appear that way, but this is not an Armani jacket vs a Walmart jacket. That said, more people are going to be looking for the Walmart jacket because it fulfills their needs just fine, than those who are looking for an Armani jacket.
The general American outlook is "Why would I pay $600 for one piece of clothing when I can get that same piece of clothing for $80 elsewhere?"
by vonissk on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
Good posts Xeph and Jenn................
Just a thought-------------if you take a dog and put a TD and a UDX on it, you are basically only leaving out the bitework. And what's so wrong with that? My other comment was the average person has a story about a great gsd they grew up with the uncle had, the dad had..etc and they are looking for that dog again. When Bolt's "grandmother" contacted me about a puppy one of the stories was that her son had owned the breed before, etc. I felt my job was to meet their expectations both in a family dog and a working dog for their young man. Just some thoughts..............
Just a thought-------------if you take a dog and put a TD and a UDX on it, you are basically only leaving out the bitework. And what's so wrong with that? My other comment was the average person has a story about a great gsd they grew up with the uncle had, the dad had..etc and they are looking for that dog again. When Bolt's "grandmother" contacted me about a puppy one of the stories was that her son had owned the breed before, etc. I felt my job was to meet their expectations both in a family dog and a working dog for their young man. Just some thoughts..............by Xeph on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
I am personally hoping to get my bitch back out on sheep soon. We are training in other endeavors in the mean time, and will be getting a couple of titles come next year (hopefully). I don't like IPO. There, I said it. It's fine for some people, not for me.
I love the bitework (who couldn't). I hate the tracking. I have a very hard time baiting tracks, and waiting for the damn things to age is friggin MIND NUMBING! I just don't wanna do it. I am also not a perfectionist. I'm doing obedience work with my bitch to help in my evaluation of her (and believe me, I can see where weaknesses are), but oh my GOD who CARES if the dog sits out a little on a sit?! Or doesn't front perfectly!
I have a huge problem with doing things just because someone said so, and a lot of IPO feels like "because I said so"....and I just can't do it. I look for practicality. So, agility, higher levels of obedience (for the practical elements of things like scent discrimination), and herding are much more up my alley.
My service dogs learn a lot of things an IPO dog never will, but the IPO dog sure does have some nice heeling (and yes, I know the work that goes into teaching a nice heel)! I have a problem with regulations that reward sport....but not REAL LIFE utility. If I wanted to breed my service dog, in Germany, technically I couldn't.....even though he's a real working dog. Why? He doesn't have a title.
Nerts to that (said the American) :p
BTW, I haven't bred anything, presently.
I love the bitework (who couldn't). I hate the tracking. I have a very hard time baiting tracks, and waiting for the damn things to age is friggin MIND NUMBING! I just don't wanna do it. I am also not a perfectionist. I'm doing obedience work with my bitch to help in my evaluation of her (and believe me, I can see where weaknesses are), but oh my GOD who CARES if the dog sits out a little on a sit?! Or doesn't front perfectly!
I have a huge problem with doing things just because someone said so, and a lot of IPO feels like "because I said so"....and I just can't do it. I look for practicality. So, agility, higher levels of obedience (for the practical elements of things like scent discrimination), and herding are much more up my alley.
My service dogs learn a lot of things an IPO dog never will, but the IPO dog sure does have some nice heeling (and yes, I know the work that goes into teaching a nice heel)! I have a problem with regulations that reward sport....but not REAL LIFE utility. If I wanted to breed my service dog, in Germany, technically I couldn't.....even though he's a real working dog. Why? He doesn't have a title.
Nerts to that (said the American) :p
BTW, I haven't bred anything, presently.
by beetree on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
Xeph,
Yet you recognize the prices of dogs became lower and your requirements more specific for obtaining that quality, as it grew, equal to your growth experience. That really was my point in general. I meant nothing personal, sorry about that.
So, yes, we agree, more money does not equal the best dog. It is a reverse pyramid really, for the statistic and pie chart people, I bet.
Yet you recognize the prices of dogs became lower and your requirements more specific for obtaining that quality, as it grew, equal to your growth experience. That really was my point in general. I meant nothing personal, sorry about that.
So, yes, we agree, more money does not equal the best dog. It is a reverse pyramid really, for the statistic and pie chart people, I bet.
by Xeph on 16 July 2013 - 21:07
I meant nothing personal, sorry about that.
I didn't think you did :) No harm, no foul
I didn't think you did :) No harm, no foul
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