This is a placeholder text
Group text
by hamza166 on 20 July 2009 - 20:07
does anyone know a breeder that breeds Black german showline german shepherds?
If so, please tell me their website.
If so, please tell me their website.
by gsm44 on 20 July 2009 - 20:07
by missbeeb on 20 July 2009 - 21:07
Perhaps you could PM "Silbersee".... you can have a look at one of her lovely dogs on the thread, "Trials and tribulations of stacking". I do not know if she has a website but have a go at Google.
by Rik on 21 July 2009 - 11:07
Black has been bred out of the German S/L.
However there are breeders, like Silbersee, who have V rated blacks from Working lines.
I know this is a subject of great interest to her, so I'm betting she notices this thread and can supply a wealth of info on black dogs.
However there are breeders, like Silbersee, who have V rated blacks from Working lines.
I know this is a subject of great interest to her, so I'm betting she notices this thread and can supply a wealth of info on black dogs.
by hamza166 on 21 July 2009 - 13:07
black has not been bred out of the german showline. Ive seen many german showline black gsd'.
By the way i already know fouranfas gsd's, and i already know Tracelyn gsds.
Does anyone know any apart from them?
By the way i already know fouranfas gsd's, and i already know Tracelyn gsds.
Does anyone know any apart from them?
by Elkoorr on 21 July 2009 - 13:07
hamza, where did you see black german show lines? Tracelyn is black UK line, Quiyk ist from east german lines.....same for fouranfass dogs. German showline pups are born almost black, and will change to the tan and saddle later. Basical all german show lines are decendents of just a few dogs generations ago. Workingline blacks can do very well in a show ring, can be V rated, and can even look close to a show line....yet are still having a workingline pedigree. So, just because you see a black dog in a show ring doesnt mean its a showline.
by Silbersee on 21 July 2009 - 13:07
Hamza,
please name these black showlines you have seen. What are their pedigrees? I do not know of any. And please, only titled and breed surveyed ones, and more importantly dogs, which are capable to be bred in Germany. The requirement would be that they are DNA proven, not only registrered. The fine but all important difference is that a dog can only be DNA proven, if blood samples of both the parents are stored within the SV contracted facility. Any dog bred in a foreign country has to have that requirement before he or she can be used for a German breeding program.
A few months ago, I saw this beautiful black male offered for sale in an ad here on the PDB, it might still be here. I posted that link (and pedigree) on the German discussion board, and nobody could figure out where this black color supposedly came from. The dog was located in Russia and had several generations of unknown dogs in its pedigree. This, to me is shady. It has nothing to do with the owner. For all I know, that person could be the most honest and sincere, but the fact that I can not rely on the truthfullness or knowledge of a pedigree is enough for me (and most other breeders I know) to turn the other way and shun a dog like that. Can you certify that the ancestors are correct, and (if I want to take it that far) are even all registered German Shepherd Dogs? Now, you could say that it does not matter to you if you can achieve your personal goals, but I look at it a little different. Dogs from my breeding program need to pass requirements in Germany as well, because they are also used in German programs. There is also the occasional buyer here in the U.S. who might show on the international show scene - not often though - but I also owe it to them to at least fulfill all obligations regarding titles, DNA and other certifications to enable them to do so.
There are no black German showline dogs, especially many!!! Period!!
As Rik already pointed out, we have V-rated black workingline dogs. Our female Chuckie produces V-rated structure in every litter. In my opinion, that is very rare and should be revered.
There are a few breeders in Germany who concern themselves with dogs like that. If you want the names and contacts, please let me know.
missbeeb, I do have a website. You can also find it under my information (when you click on my name): www.vomsilbersee.com
Chris
please name these black showlines you have seen. What are their pedigrees? I do not know of any. And please, only titled and breed surveyed ones, and more importantly dogs, which are capable to be bred in Germany. The requirement would be that they are DNA proven, not only registrered. The fine but all important difference is that a dog can only be DNA proven, if blood samples of both the parents are stored within the SV contracted facility. Any dog bred in a foreign country has to have that requirement before he or she can be used for a German breeding program.
A few months ago, I saw this beautiful black male offered for sale in an ad here on the PDB, it might still be here. I posted that link (and pedigree) on the German discussion board, and nobody could figure out where this black color supposedly came from. The dog was located in Russia and had several generations of unknown dogs in its pedigree. This, to me is shady. It has nothing to do with the owner. For all I know, that person could be the most honest and sincere, but the fact that I can not rely on the truthfullness or knowledge of a pedigree is enough for me (and most other breeders I know) to turn the other way and shun a dog like that. Can you certify that the ancestors are correct, and (if I want to take it that far) are even all registered German Shepherd Dogs? Now, you could say that it does not matter to you if you can achieve your personal goals, but I look at it a little different. Dogs from my breeding program need to pass requirements in Germany as well, because they are also used in German programs. There is also the occasional buyer here in the U.S. who might show on the international show scene - not often though - but I also owe it to them to at least fulfill all obligations regarding titles, DNA and other certifications to enable them to do so.
There are no black German showline dogs, especially many!!! Period!!
As Rik already pointed out, we have V-rated black workingline dogs. Our female Chuckie produces V-rated structure in every litter. In my opinion, that is very rare and should be revered.
There are a few breeders in Germany who concern themselves with dogs like that. If you want the names and contacts, please let me know.
missbeeb, I do have a website. You can also find it under my information (when you click on my name): www.vomsilbersee.com
Chris
by hamza166 on 21 July 2009 - 14:07
I saw them on Tracelyn and Fouranfass. They are west german showline dogs, that are black.
Plus ive seen some on crufts, online in 2009.
By the way Silbersee is quite a help
Plus ive seen some on crufts, online in 2009.
By the way Silbersee is quite a help
by Silbersee on 21 July 2009 - 14:07
Ok Hamza, I see that you are in the UK. And I know nothing about your Alsation lines (they are not used in Germany or anywhere else for that matter, at all). If they have black dogs and mingled their lines with Germany showlines, fine. Keep in mind that you need to mate two carriers of the black gene in order to get black dogs. That is the reason it is double difficult to have black GSDs competing in the show ring. I had a feeeling that you were talking about dogs outside the international circuit. That is why I emphasized on that.
It is a bit easier with sables, since only one sable parent is needed. But even sables are getting more and more rare. And the only true sable showline comes from Margit in her Arlett-lines. There might also be the occasional hobby breeder who preserved this color in his small breeding program. The Timo Berrekasten-line (or his sire Wanko vom Lippischen Norden) received their sable from workinglines. I knew the now deceased breeder (and trial judge) vom Lippischen Norden, Waldemar Schirr and he was "old school" and mixed his lines.
Good luck in your quest, and again, if you wish to find nice structured black workinglines I would contact the breeders of "vom alten Wingertshaus" or "von den schwarzen Seeperlen" in Germany. I just bred my female to V-Nolan vom alten Wingertshaus (here on the PDB) and can tell you that the owner has high hopes for his young male, including showing at the BSZS and LGA next year.
Chris
It is a bit easier with sables, since only one sable parent is needed. But even sables are getting more and more rare. And the only true sable showline comes from Margit in her Arlett-lines. There might also be the occasional hobby breeder who preserved this color in his small breeding program. The Timo Berrekasten-line (or his sire Wanko vom Lippischen Norden) received their sable from workinglines. I knew the now deceased breeder (and trial judge) vom Lippischen Norden, Waldemar Schirr and he was "old school" and mixed his lines.
Good luck in your quest, and again, if you wish to find nice structured black workinglines I would contact the breeders of "vom alten Wingertshaus" or "von den schwarzen Seeperlen" in Germany. I just bred my female to V-Nolan vom alten Wingertshaus (here on the PDB) and can tell you that the owner has high hopes for his young male, including showing at the BSZS and LGA next year.
Chris
by AmbiiGSD on 21 July 2009 - 15:07
Hamza...
"quote" black has not been bred out of the german showline. Ive seen many german showline black gsd'."unquote"
Where?
"quote" black has not been bred out of the german showline. Ive seen many german showline black gsd'."unquote"
Where?
Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top
