ADN DNA - Page 1

From what year was the DNA test introduced ?

The AKC established DNA Program in 1996.  However, it is not required to register a dog.

Until 1996, he could not falsify? Who really knows if those are manufactured dogs? Reproduce ... mating. So dogs from that time are not sure that they are the true lines....

Without AKC requiring DNA on all dogs registered after that there are still dogs being registered that are not purebred dogs.

AKC currently does not require DNA to register a dog that comes from registered parents. They rely on breeders to be honest. I am certain that presently many puppies and adults are being falsely or mistakenly registered.

I would also wager that the same occurs in all organizations through the world that govern pure breed registrations.

The only way to guarantee this doesn’t happen is genetic testing on all dogs applying for registration.

Imported dogs are required to submit DNA to AKC during registration process. Not to prove lineage, but to certify future offspring.
I have an import male that has bred a few outside bitches. None of the owners have ever been asked to submit dna from the pups to prove linage.

One of my females was imported in uterine. DNA was not required to register her with AKC. A “stud certificate” from the owner of the sire was on file for the litter she came from. I bet “stud certificates” get falsified all the time also. I do not suspect that with mine. But I’m certain that it happens to other people.

If you look in European registries it is often stated that DNA is “on file”. Are European breeders or owners required to submit dna samples from pups and dogs for the purpose of lineage verification before they can be registered?

It's an interesting notion, but doubtful it can ever be reasonably implemented. Would it be nice to know every dog in a lineage, back to Horand was 100% GS? Sure. But that in itself is a misnomer, since various dogs, all not perfectly standardized, were used in creating the original dogs. But then what does that achieve other than pristine paperwork? And forgery can then occur of those documents. AKC DNA of a given dog won't prove much, without all ancestry being DNA tested. You're probably best served by exposure to as many exemplary dogs (and breeders) you can work with. Performance can't be faked. I wouldn't let "perfect" be the enemy of "good".

Here's another observation: Many of the long haired and plush coated GS exhibit wider ear set. Do they contain Border Collie genes?

Here is an example of what AKC registers.  This dog These dogs were left on the PDB to make PDB members to be warned.

This dog was proven not to be a Purebred GSD but was AKC Registered anyway. This dog is in the background of many AKC Registered  GSDs today. These dogs with CONDITIONAL REGISTRATION in the background are no longer allowed on the PDB

K9pines Fourth Generation Brindle Is Mozart

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2569794-k9pines-fourth-generation-brindle-is-mozart?_v=20230114152519

Holy cow, @gsdheritage   :  |  That would scare me away from a pedigree pretty fast.  At least it's a recent dog, so it should stick out like a sore thumb to anyone paying attention.

I’m in the U.S. I just looked up what a AKC “conditional registration” is. I’ve never heard of it before. I guess a person wouldn’t unless they were dealing with it themselves or someone who does already.

Seems to me that the purpose of any registry for any kind of animal would be to certify it’s lineage. AKC’s purpose (or so I thought) is to certify here in the U.S. that “registered” dogs are “pure breed”. A conditional registration seems counter productive. Sort of goes against what it stands for. If just one spot on a pedigree is blank or unknown, you can not certify the dog as “pure breed”. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

I am one of those who believes that when you get right down to it, there is no such thing as a pure breed dog. A breed can be developed over time and start to exhibit specific traits as all “pure breed” dogs have. But domestic dogs can never be 100% pure breed.

My Ginger comes from many top VA lines. She can be traced back to Horand. There is blanks or “unknown” spots in her pedigree from the early days. Her DNA evaluation indicates that she is like 99.7% German Shepherd and .3% “wolfiness”. I assume that the .3% comes from the early days when the breed was being developed. Over time it has become diluted. But it will never completely go away.

This AKC “conditional registration” is complete horse dung!!! Anyone actively dealing with this is not honest, and they know it.

Suddenly my prestigious pack of registered pure breed German Shepherds doesn’t feel so prestigious. Of course that is a joke, but there is some seriousness to it. If my dogs were of American lineage It would bother me more.

There must be some money to be had. Why else would this exist? Shame on the AKC.